Dairy industry is as evil as meat. No less harm for animals. Does it look natural that calf canât drink milk so you can taste your piece of cheese?Â
GO VEGAN.Â
WRONG
That calf is wearing a nose tag. Nose tags are put on calves so that they are able to stay with their mothers longer, but are unable to nurse. They donât NEED to nurse as they get older, they just get greedier and pushier and will bash up the cowâs udder and bruise it with their noses.
This nose-tag is so that calves can stay with their mothers, their mothers can remain pain-free and healthy, and nobody is stressed.
Educate yourselves you ignorant fucking tarts.
âŠreally? You donât think it might have anything to do with the milk being stolen for human consumption? At all? Not even a tiny bit?
Militant vegans can fuck right off
Based on fur texture and face shape, that calf is at least six months old, probably older. Calves can survive without actual cow milk even at three months, though older is better (calves weaned that early are usually fed a sort of formula for another couple months).
Also, nose tags like that one donât go through the cowâs septum. They basically work like those fake septum rings for humans.
In addition to weaning the calves, another use for nose tags is protecting non-lactating cows. Sometimes weanlings or even adult cows will suck on themselves or other non-lactating cows; this can cause internal teat scarring bad enough to prevent that teat or teats from ever working. Iâve seen this happen, and itâs ugly, probably at least somewhat painful, and, if bad enough, would lead to the cow being slaughtered at a very young age because she canât produce milk, has chronic mastitis, and/or canât be milked with automatic milking equipment. So, nose tags actually prevent animal cruelty.
Also, calves will suck on anything remotely oblong (and attempt to eat literally anything), even if they are being adequately fed or overfed. Often they will suck on other calvesâ ears, and, since ears are longer than teats and cows have upper as well as lower teeth in the back of their mouths, many calves get bites on their ears, which often become severely infected. Iâm not sure if nose tags would work there, because physicsâa non-toxic but bad-tasting ear paint would be betterâbut yeah, letting a calf put anything it wants in its mouth is not always a good idea.
reblogging for educational purposes.
reblogging for people being schooled
This was the funniest argument about false cruelty I have read.. Thank you.Â
I love this for 2 reasons: Most people donât realize that in farming areas agriculture/horticulture/animal husbandry is part of public school education from as early on as 7th grade. (Though I remember dissecting cow eyes in 4th grade science sooo) I assure you fifteen year old farm kids know more about what constitutes animal cruelty in farms than thirty year old vegans with, or without an agenda.Â
Also that if you really want good quality beef/pork/eggs/milk/etc you donât abuse your animals. Ever. Thatâs not the point and if you want to make any kind of money off your career choice, you are going to treat those creatures better than you treat yourself. Youâll call a vet five times for an infection in your herd before you visit the hospital for a missing foot on your own leg.Â
So. Yeah. Watch out, because weâre getting internet access these days. Weâre on tumblr too.Â
P.S. The immigrant workers farming your supermarket produce have no health care or legal protection, and the Bolivians farming your 365 Organic Quinoa canât afford to eat it. But PLEASE wonât someone think of the poor baby cows who wonât get off the tit?!
Also this is a LOT nicer than what mother cows do to calves that wonât be weaned. You know what mother cows do to calves that wonât wean? kick them in the head. Now I donât know about vegans, but Iâd rather have a nose tag that discouraged me from injuring my mother (because calves that donât wean tend to chew on udders and make mother cows bleed) rather than being kicked in the head. Source: I grew up on a fucking cattle ranch. I have seen chickens skeletonize a mouse I KNOW SHIT.
âI have seen chickens skeletonize a mouse I KNOW SHIT.â
Iâm sorry, what? What??? WHAT??? you canât just leave it there please explain @thehornedwitch
Happy to explain! See, chickens are omnivorous. They eat bugs, plants, and meatstuffs. Y’know how crows and ravens and things eat meat? Well, chickens too. Ours had a particular fondness for ham when someone accidentally put it into the bucket of good scraps we set aside for the chickens. A bucket we tried to keep as meat-free as possible, because few things are more terrifying than a chicken looking you in the eyes as it scarfs down ham. Anyway, back to the mouse. One day i was doing Chicken Chores, like gathering eggs, putting out grain, emptying the bucket of greens, etc, when a mouse runs across the pen. All at once, eight or so chickens stop dead, look at it, and SWARM. Now Iâm six at this point in time and developing a healthy fear of chickens, and so do nothing. By the time the chickens are done, all that is left of the mouse is its bones. I left the chicken pen very, very quickly. Chickens crave meat. They were dinosaurs. They did not forget that they were dinosaurs. They will also cannibalize each other with reckless abandon. Sometimes we just had to remove one chicken to its own private pen away from the others because no matter what we did, that specific one always tried to eat the other chickens. We had one that really liked other chickenâs eyes. Bear in mind, our pens ensured each chicken had about five to six square feet all its own if you managed to space every chicken out evenly, we never locked them in teensy pen things, and fed them LOTS. These chickens just really, really wanted to maim. Chickens that are not Buff Orpingtons are the devil. Buff Orpingtons are sweethearts. If you must have chickens, have that kind. And never get Guineas. Guineas are SATAN INCARNATE. THEY SMELL FEAR.
Holy shit, I dont think Iâll ever use chicken as an insult again.Â
Holy Shit, same here that is terrifying
Will Iâm using it as a compliment
I love farm animals.
âChickens crave meat. They were dinosaurs. They did not forget that they were dinosaurs.â
If youâve ever looked a chicken in the eye you know that they donât just remember; theyâre patiently awaiting the day they become dinosaurs again.Â
I have reblogged this before because watching farmers school vegans is always hilarious, but now weâre into birds, specifically fowl, and I have got stories.
I had to give my turkey an antibiotic injection once upon a time, and she turned the needle puncture into a six inch by three inch hole in her back overnight as she attempted to eat herself because apparently turkeys find themselves to be delicious. She had to spend 3 months duct taped into a tea towel (the bandages underneath cleaned and replaced daily, mind you) until it healed because she would not stop ripping the bandages off to continue consuming herself.
Your chickens strip a mouse to the bone? Mine draw and quarter them and run around with the parts shrieking. My peacocks grab mice, beat them to death on the ground with this insanely fast back and forth head twisting motion, and then swallow them whole. You would not think an entire adult mouse would fit in their face, and you would be wrong.
I knew a guy that used to regularly post photos of the 5-6âČ long Copperhead snakes his peafowl would destroy. And I donât mean kill, I mean destroy. These venomous snakes would get into the pens and the peas would just peck them into oblivion like nbd.
Fowl didnât just used to be dinosaurs. They are still dinosaurs.
Thankfully they are small dinosaurs
and we can just tape them into tea towels if we have to
BEGGING for a Jurassic Park reboot where farmers run the place instead of brogrammer scientists, and the raptors frequently get scolded and taped into tea towels
i didnt realise ao3 was started in response to lj deleting account relating to p//edophi|ia and they explicitly support the posting of such works yikes
it wasnât, like, ~~~we luv pedophilia, it was way more complicated than that!
although itâs true AO3 does allow all fannish content provided itâs properly warned for, thereâs a long history there – of spaces being used by fans until the host decided whatever we were doing was too weird and distasteful and either kicking us off, banning certain content, or changing the nature of the site until it was no longer viable as a host.
youâre referring to the LJ Strikethrough of 2007, which, being an ancient crone, I lived through, and since I was hanging out in the last vestiges of SGA and in bandom, I saw some of the fallout. this was before LJ was sold to the Russians (which is a whole ânother story), when it was still owned by Six Apart; in an effort to clean up LJâs act, Six Apart decided to delete all accounts using tags like underage, incest, rape, etc.
this was supposed to get rid of actual child porn on the site, and I hope it did, but it also targeted fan communities. this was a problem for a couple reasons; for one thing, not every story tagged with these words is in favor of them; for another, these things happen to real people and these personal posts were also potentially in danger of being attacked; for the last one, look, I ainât into this kind of fic but people write about what people write about, and if itâs fictional and not explicitly banned in the TOS (correct me if Iâm wrong; I donât think written content about this stuff was banned?) then itâs not cool for a content host to just start deleting communities without warning.
but thatâs what happened! these deletions were also primarily targeting slash communities, which smacked of some serious homophobia since things were deleted that had nothing to do with any of this kind of content.
eventually someone found out it was this super conservative religious group whoâd sent a list of journal names to Six Apart, and who if I remember correctly targeted slash fic on purpose, even after it became clear that the fic was, well, totally fictional. after a while, Six Apart admitted theyâd made a mistake and started to reinstate journals, but all of fandom was pretty shaken up.
THEN Boldthrough happened, which was essentially the same debacle several months later, at which point fandom began its long slow migration from LJ to GJ, IJ, and eventually AO3, Twitter, and tumblr.
AO3 was opened in 2008 in response to several incidents, of which Strikethrough was a really intense one. remember, also, that back in 2008 the stigma surrounding fandom was significantly greater and more shameful than it is today, so finding hosts willing to archive fic was difficult unless someone had the dough to pay for server space – often not an option. this was also back when fanfic.netâs HTML restrictions were so great that users couldnât use any special characters or bold or italicize anything, and it didnât allow R-rated content, so it was clearly not ideal. in addition, although cease & desist letters were much less common than they were in the early 2000s and before, DMCA takedowns were still a phantom on the horizon.
LONG STORY SHORT, even though pedophilia is reprehensible and I personally cannot stomach fanfic that involves that kind of content, AO3 was founded specially as a safe space for fandom communities that could not find homes elsewhere. it requires warnings precisely for that reason, and if you find a story that is not properly warned, you can alert the admins and get the story labeled appropriately.
IDK, maybe itâs just because I am, again, ancient, but I was in and around fandom before homosexuality was legal in all 50 states. so were most of the people who started AO3. for most of my formative life, being gay was associated with pedophilia, and so was writing about gay characters. just – itâs a lot more complicated than you might expect, and thereâs a reason many older fans who have been involved in several generations of fandom were so grateful to have AO3 as an option.
I donât read, for example, Hydra Trash Party fics. They squick me, and I generally feel they are pretty gross. But writing noncon body-horror is not the same as saying âyeah, I totally want to go out and rape and torture people for years while brainwashing them!â or even âyeah, I wouldnât do it myself, but it would be totally okay if someone did!â Nobody is hurt by it, and nobody is going to be hurt by it. So should I have the right to go, that is gross, you donât get to write or read that? No.
In the same way, writing about underage teens getting it onâsometimes with each other, sometimes with adults, sometimes consensually, sometimes notâis not the same as child pornography, nor does reading a fic about Hermione and Snape getting it on while she was his student mean someone thinks that would be a good and/or healthy thing in real life.
Fiction affects reality, but fiction is not reality. And writing about something does not mean you want to do it in real life, or believe that anyone should.
Letâs take a closer look at that âAo3 supports pedophilia!â shall we?
1) The only fics I have ever come across that had actual pedophilia (i.e. someone having sex with a child), it was clearly and explicitly abuse. It was not meant to titillate or arouse. It was meant to horrify. It was seldom explicit.
2) Thereâs a lot more incest, but it is usually portrayed either as explicitly mutually consensual (i.e. Sam/Dean) or as abusive.
3) Iâve been in fandom for a decade and a half. When people start getting upset at âomg pedophilia, think of the children!â the fics they are usually objecting to arenât actually pedophilia. Usually, it is teenagers having sex, especially queer sex. And people donât like that, and use pedophilia as an excuse to shame people for writing/reading sex they donât like.
Letâs look closer at Strikethrough, shall we? I hope that, if there were any communities of actual pedophiles on LJ, they got taken down, too. But here are some of the communities that got taken down that were not in any way supporting pedophilia and/or rape and/or incest that got taken down:
1) at least one support community for survivors of sexual abuse.
2) a literary book discussion group that was reading Lolita.
3) lots of slash fanfic communities, for things like Draco/Harry fic set in their fourth year (when both boys would have been 15).
Basically, this very conservative âfamily valuesâ group hated porn, and they hated queer stuff even more, and used âbut think of the children, itâs pedophilia!â to pressure LJ to get rid of huge swathes of things they didnât like. And one time taking down the worst of it wasnât good enough for them. No, this was step one on a moral crusade. If you acceded to their demands, all that did was whet their appetite, and soon they would be back with a new list of demands. This is why the 2007 strikethrough was not an isolated event, but rather one of a series of events, nor was LJ the only website thus targeted. It starts with anything that can get labelled âpedophiliaâ or âincestâ because thatâs low-hanging fruit. But they use that to go after anything relating to queer teen sexuality. Then anything with teen sexuality. Then once the community is already divided and diminished, they go after anything with non-con. Then whatever is next on their list. It doesnât stop until theyâve won the point and nothing but suitably âfamily-friendlyâ fics that match their purity test are allowed.
Which is why AO3 has no morality content in their terms of service. You canât break copyright beyond fair use (and AO3 has an expansive view of âfair useâ and a team of lawyers on call). You canât use AO3 for commercial advertising. And you canât post ACTUAL child pornography, i.e. the things that are legally prohibited, i.e. actual photographs or videos of actual children (not teens) in sexually explicit positionsâyou know, the stuff that actually hurts kids. Other than that? Itâs fair game. You can post anything you want, and the archive will not judge. There is no handle for the Moral Majority Family-Friendly Thought Police to latch onto, no cracks they can exploit to divide and conquer.
Weâve been down that road. It doesnât lead anywhere good.
Reblogging this for the excellent explanation of what exactly the moral crusaders did last time. They had an explicit agenda of anti-queerness, and they specifically targeted slash and femslash communities in particular, such that many ship communities became (or started as) deliberately members-only. You had to apply, and your personal blog had to look like a real person and a fan. You were vetted, a la 1990s private servers.
During this period, Dreamwidth was also targeted by attacking its payment processor. They had to get a new one. These âWarriorsâ (literally called themselves that!) were totally on board with destroying fandom as a side effect of destroying the parts of fandom they didnât like.
If youâre carrying out harassment of people right now because theyâre posting works with sexual elements you donât agree with? (And itâs always sex, never non-sexual violence, how strangeâŠ.) If youâre doing that, youâre also totally on board with destroying fandom as a side effect of destroying the parts of fandom you donât like. Because your tactics are fandom-destroying, and so is your agenda.
reblogging because this is important: strikethru and boldthru and all the various âpurgesâ that fandom went thru about 10 years ago: this had to do with OUTSIDERS deciding that fandom in general and fanfiction in specific were evil and needed to be destroyed; unless we were writing and shipping good vanilla M/F married people. These were outsiders, going after fictional writing about fictional characters.
AO3 and OTW are HUGE, because now we have an organization, with very smart women and a lot of lawyers, that have our back. Fannish history is important, people! It has not always been this way.
This is so, so important: thereâs that other post about AO3 and fanfiction floating around, about our history. People decry violent video games but no one is trying to force companies out of business. But people can and do attack fanfiction: an activity primarily written by women for women, about fictional characters. And often about sex. We have to constantly defend ourselves, protect ourselves, support each other against charges like âpaeodophiliaâ.
^^^rebageling again for excellent commentary
Throwing this in because I was also present: This was during the American Governmentâs attempts to pass censorship laws on the internet. As MOST of those domains had their serves in America, they were beholden to those censorship laws. A great deal of fanfiction.net was removed because they happened to lose a goddamn courtcase. Iâve been on the site since 2002. They may not have âofficiallyâ allowed NC-17 rated content (what it used to be listed as in the filters), it never did a damn thing to remove it. Ever. They had it listed as a rating option during âNew Storyâ uploading after all. It was i nthe search filters. After they lost the courtcase however, they legally had to start doing things about the mature content reports they got. The admins and mods were not actively looking for fic to remove, they were just responding to reports they had already received.Â
tl;dr – I know tumblr is all about black and white âyouâre either all right or all wrongâ thinking, but itâs important to understand what actually happened before going âew ao3 was made to give pedophiles a safe place to postâ because that is 110% not what happened.
This is why so, so many of the comparatively older fannish folks on tumblr like me are so vehemently against stuff like the anti movement and âall ships are valid UNLESSâ. It smacks of censorship and content policing – and weâve been there. We got our shit deleted and our accounts banned because someone else thought what we were reading or writing or talking about needed to just⊠not exist. No warning. Literally overnight. We just woke up and stuff was gone.
And yeah, the group was legit called Warriors for Innocence (or maybe of). I knew several people that were members of survivor/support groups that lost their groups – and their main support network – when Strikethrough happened (ten years ago holy shit).
You antis need to listen when us older fans tell you that the censorship youâre advocating for, when put into practice, is NOT a positive thing; itâs an extremely scary thing!
I can guarantee that you would be very, very upset if another event like LJ Strikethrough were to happen today because *you* are just as vulnerable as the rest of us! If you support the rights of marginalized groups of people, if youâre a slash or fem slash shipper, if you support gender identities that arenât defined by biological sex, if you care about representation, if you support women, if you have any kind of kink, if you care about fandom in any capacity beyond its eradication, YOU DO NOT ACTUALLY WANT THE SORT OF CENSORSHIP YOUâRE ADVOCATING!!
Fiction affects reality, but fiction is not reality.
